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The Bolle and Friends tour is in full swing, and one of the stops is Istanbul where Roberto Bolle was photographed last month. He talked to Giancarlo Dotto for Italy's Gioia magazine:
Would you have given Natalie Portman the Oscar for Black Swan?
I would have, yes, until I found out that she was not doing the more complicated steps. She said that she'd been working hard for nine months before filming, and that she'd studied dance as a child. However, it was her head on another's body. Therefore I would have taken her Oscar away. As an actress she can be wonderful, but to take credit for something you didn't do…
The director of the film, Darren Aronofsky, hit hard with some disturbing images.
I was disturbed by the transformation scenes because you can't tell whether it's real or imagined. I didn't like the ballet world associated with these excesses. Many viewers could think that this madness, the extreme rivalry, food problems, the obsession with the body, make up our world. It's not like that. To dance at a high level you can't be mentally or physically disturbed.
Is it possible to be an artist without a certain amount of mental disorder?
I'm the proof!
I'm sure that you must get many maniacs trying to discover your dark side.
True. It's a type of fixation…
I won't even try… But Nureyev had a dark side, and how!
He had a certain craziness. But the quality of an artist is not in the craziness, but in the sensitivity.
How much do you train a day?
More than six hours when preparing for a show. When I'm doing a ballet not less than three hours.
Do you live by yourself in Milan?
Yes. When I get home in the evening, I usually throw myself on the bed more dead than alive. If I'm not too tired I look at the email, go on to Facebook…
You have a Facebook profile?
I have two. One professional, the other personal, under a disguise. I have 17 friends.
… What did you give up to become Roberto Bolle?
From 15 until I was 25 it was only study and work. No time for me, to do things with my friends. I've always done very little socially. Now it's my choice, before it wasn't.
And the 17 Facebook friends?
They're not all intimate friends. One I don't even know. I made a wrong click and found myself with a stranger on board! He doesn't even know that it's me.
… There is a morbid fascination to know whether you are gay or not.
The ‘Artist' is a social animal like everyone else? Maybe the Artist, with a capital A, is a person who can be allowed to be above certain things. His life is tied in with his work. I feel free to not satisfy this curiosity, and I don't reply to gossip.
The gay movement sustains the opposite. A public figure should reveal their diversity.
I don't think that's right. Certain invasions of privacy are just violent. That's all.
The most beautiful woman on the planet?
Alessandra Ambrosio. A super top-model, gorgeous.
And man, apart from Roberto Bolle?
Certainly not George Clooney. Nureyev was beautiful when he was young. Mikhail Baryshnikov a lot less, he was too short. Johnny Depp is very good looking.
Will I be your 18th friend on Facebook?
I'll see when I've read the article!
Photo: Maki Galimberti

Graham Spicer is a writer, director and photographer in Milan, blogging (under the name ‘Gramilano') about dance, opera, music and photography for people “who are a bit like me and like some of the things I like”. He was a regular columnist for Opera Now magazine and wrote for the BBC until transferring to Italy.
His scribblings have appeared in various publications from Woman's Weekly to Gay Times, and he wrote the ‘Danza in Italia' column for Dancing Times magazine.
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He’s so obviously gay.
And you’re so obviously jealous.
I really do not care what a dancer’s private life is about. I am more concerned with his / her dancing abilities rather than their personal love life.
I agree with Roberto Bolle that an artist’s sexuality is his or her private business. To define oneself according to one’s sexuality is to deny the over-arching importance of one’s humanity. Let me break it to you gently. One day your hormones will no longer rage and sex will be the last thing on your mind. Will that mean you are no longer human? Of course not. Bolle is a human being as well as an artist. He deserves a right to privacy. He cares deeply about the public he serves. Have you ever seen him work a crowd when he exits the stage door? He spends loads of time after every performance stopping to chat with each person, have his photograph taken with anyone who asks, sign autographs, engage in conversations, accept gifts he never asked for and probably doesn’t even want. He is a true star. Such a person cares deeply about the public he serves. Bolle is aware of the romantic projections of both women and men on him as a performer. Why should he limit the fantasies of his audience by announcing his sexual identity? What if it were to limit the roles he were offered? He’s not only a great dancer but a great actor. An artist is a type of public servant and for this reason is entitled to remain above the fray. His privacy is something he must protect should he wish to keep his creative reserves in tact. As to your challenging Bolle on an ethical basis, assuming you know all about him just because of the impression he makes, did it ever occur to you that he is Italian and grew up in a Catholic culture and lives in a Catholic culture today? Whoever he is sexually, he is resolved about that aspect of his life and doesn’t need to discuss it with anyone. Being gay isn’t a handicap. A gay person has no obligation to confess it publicly. What value would that create? Making rigid rules about how to handle diversity denies the humanity of a person who is different.
What’s this nonsense about your saying Nureyev was “dark?” There wasn’t a more joyful, humorous, well-adjusted man on the face of the earth than Rudolf Nureyev. He didn’t do drugs, he took care of his body, he made his way in the world completely on his own and against all odds. He had enormous numbers of truly close friends. He had a merciless work ethic that ate up the majority of his time and energy. But he knew how to have a good time. He had a grand life, a wonderful life. True, in middle age he danced too long and he maybe became a little sad and lonely. Being a millionaire and owning his own private island must have taken the edge off of that–just a little bit. Maybe he spent too much time at the Baths. But that was a cultural trend among gay men at the time, not his personal form of self-destruction. Even in middle age he was still rehearsing every single performance in its entirety before the show went on. That was what he demanded of himself in order to be able to say that he had given his best performance. That may have been the most extreme aspect of personality–his obsession with work. He had a zany sense of humor and liked to act like a maniac just for fun. He was witty. He liked to laugh. Sometimes, especially as time wore on, he relied on staging scenes before a performance. If you have ever been a performer you understand how that works. The rush of adrenaline from the sensation of organic anger gives a performer ten times the energy as he goes onstage and enables him to fly through a performance. He wanted to do his very best, always, whether he was dancing in London, New York, Timbuktu or Detroit. How dare you say he had a “dark” side. By the end of the 20th century, he was one of the few real men left on the planet. No matter what Balanchine said about him behind his back–from the very beginning Balanchine was threatened by him and gossiped viciously about him–Nureyev never said a bad word about Balanchine or expressed anything but respect and admiration for Balanchine. You will be very hard pressed to find anything in print that Nureyev ever said about Balanchine that is negative. That is because Nureyev was a man. A grown up. He had integrity. He was not a conflicted, pathetic, dark, twisted person struggling to get through the day. Great dancers must have great character to keep up their careers if they want them to last for more than a decade. It’s too hard even when they have full, happy lives. Projecting nonsense about “darkness” on a person like Nureyev, who planted the seeds for the growth of the ballet audience we have today in the west during the first ten years following his defection is utter rubbish. Bolle’s answers are spot on. Like he said, he, too, is living proof that you don’t have to be “dark” to be a great artist.
The poet, John Keats is the one who popularized the notion of the necessity of exploring darkness in art with his literary theory of what he called “negative capability”–allowing the bent in a work of art to go into a place where questions remained unanswered and the inclusion of the irrational remains an option. Look it up. Our culture is still dominated by the Romantic poets. But Keats himself was a joyful, life-loving person who cherished every hour he had on this earth, knowing within a year of his younger brother’s death that he too, would die young. He had one true love whom he never got to have sex with because he had syphilis and, knowing he would die soon, had too much character to ruin her by marrying her and leaving her a penniless, syphilitic widow. He abstained. He had many, many friends, and had just published his last volume of poetry before he died. It received mixed reviews. He became a literary superstar after his death. But he had known happiness. He did not value “darkness” for its own sake but as a new dimension of intellectual life and creativity that deserved to be explored because it might too be related to truth. He wasn’t interested in pat answers or cliches. You’re trying to make darkness a predictable aspect of an artist’s nature. Nothing could be further from Keat’s notion of negative capability.
Thanks you for such an exhaustive comment. The interview is not by me – as it states at the beginning, it is a selection of an interview that I translated from an Italian woman’s magazine. I have known Roberto Bolle since he was a student at La Scala’s school, and I knew Rudolf Nureyev toward the end of his life, but I wouldn’t share personal stories about either of the two men. Keats, however, was a little before my time!
I apologize for addressing my remarks to you instead of Giancarlo Dotto. A friend forwarded the article to me; I am not familiar with your publication. I should have read the opening more thoroughly. At any rate, Rudolf Nureyev was my first employer; I was not a friend of his. I worked with him in the Royal Ballet in the course of two seasons and followed his career for many years afterward. If, during the final days of his life, when he was very ill and dying of A.I.D.s, he indulged in anything “dark,” that can hardly be considered a reflection of who he was as an artist, a person or of his enormous legacy. While I am not a friend of Roberto Bolle’s, I have met him numerous times and followed his career for some time. I consider him a stunning example of how an artist, ideally, should conduct himself in the world. He is an extremely intelligent man, not merely a beautiful man and a sex symbol. I stand behind my comments. You openly express your confusion about the connection between the above and John Keats’s theory of “negative capability” in literature. Let me enlighten you. It was the Romantic poet, Keats, who introduced the concept of the importance of “darkness” in poetry/literature. Keats had such a huge influence on culture that his interest in darkness eventually bled into all types of art, including ballet. Which is why a preoccupation with darkness in art persists to this day, even among people who know nothing of the history of trends in art. Dotto is greatly influenced by the work of Keats and does not even know it! He thinks that if something is dark that it is real and it is valuable. It is a knee jerk assumption of a person with no education. More Romantic preoccupation. He attempts to strong arm Roberto Bolle into confirming the assumption of the necessity of the presence of darkness in the lives of artists. Bolle won’t take the bait. Similarly, because Nureyev was a Romantic dancer Dotto tries to characterize him as “dark.” You don’t have to be dark to play darkness. As a performer, it takes the ability to connect, emotionally, to a role involving darkness and/or the ability to use one’s imagination to portray a character consumed by darkness. That is a very different thing from being “dark” oneself. It is amazing to me that you haven’t any idea who John Keats is and where the theme of darkness began in art. Prior to Keats, the public preferred poems that had placid themes, happy endings and a sing song happiness about them. The public needed poetry to make sense in an obvious way. Keats, as a Romantic poet, challenged this notion, suggesting that aspects of life that do not make sense and life’s mysteries are as important as anything else. He insisted the poet did not have to have all the answers.That was his encouragement of the exploration of darkness, elaborated on in his theory of “negative capability.” He wanted the poet to have the courage and skill to end up in places in the psyche that had not been explored previously–and leave the reader hanging there if necessary. “Darkness” is a blanket term for this type of thing. In general, the Romantic poets believed in the overwhelming influence of Nature on the human psyche and the overwhelming influence of emotions on the individual. Each of them dealt with this differently. Keats focused specifically with darkness in poetry and delineated a theory about it. If a person is going to talk about “darkness” in art they should be familiar with its origin as a trend in art. If Dotto wants to talk about dancers who struggled with “darkness” he should look at the life of Nijinsky, whose brilliant career was cut short by his struggle with schizophrenia. Following his house arrest by the Germans during WWI, he emerged shaken and frightened. And because of the Russian Revolution, he was never able to return to Russia to see his mother, something that troubled him deeply. It is believed by some that his incarceration during WWI triggered his schizophrenia. It is also believed by some that Diaghilev’s terrorism of Nijinsky as a result of his marriage to Romola de Pulszky triggered his mental illness. At any rate, he lived out the rest of his years in “darkness,” engulfed by insanity. Yet the journals he wrote during this period are brilliant, lucid, poetic. Nijinsky’s story is truly a dark tale. Out of respect for people who genuinely struggle with darkness, we should not resort to characterizing perfectly normal, talented, productive people who may have ups and downs or live through challenges. Both Nureyev and Bolle have been fortunate enough to have had extraordinary lives. I appreciate your consideration of my thoughts.
Great comments, and spot on. I am curious if Maki is no. 18!